Owen Massey ([info]addedentry) wrote,
@ 2008-03-21 14:30:00
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I'm a sucker for smart advertising. What I particularly enjoy is clever appropriation of the outdoors: the 'ambient' advertising that many people find particularly objectionable. A company logo on the risers of a staircase, say, or a voucher printed on the reverse of a bus ticket.

Ghost sign
HOVIS
Originally uploaded by addedentry
This week I found and photographed three 'ghost signs' in Oxford - faded advertisements painted on walls. Each one promotes a business I assume to be long defunct. I reckon that any proposal to overpaint these signs would be strongly opposed, despite their intrusiveness. The distinction of age offers ads the sympathetic attention of Past Times or a nostalgic museum.

I once wrote that 'the countryside makes me uncomfortable because it isn't labelled'. [info]j4 has a thought experiment of a retreat from text, some place where you wouldn't see letters on signs, or packaging, or anything to read; it would be surprisingly difficult to guarantee. But I don't believe that taking down billboards and shuttering shopfronts would provide a neutral public space, not while libraries, and mosques, and fountains, and so on present their own values.


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[info]covertmusic
2008-03-21 03:14 pm UTC (link)
There's one of those just up the road from me:

Two generations of fast food

The nearest thing to [info]j4's musings might be Sao Paulo, I guess. They banned public advertising; there are all these disused, skeletal billboards and the photos make it look really, well, eerie. It looks like the apocalypse: advertising's so much what we know that, well...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonydemarco/sets/72157600075508212/

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[info]addedentry
2008-03-21 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I didn't know about that ban. The bare highrises give the city the look of somewhere behind the Berlin Wall; or maybe, given the blue sky, Cuban streets without revolutionary slogans. I can't imagine capitalism without advertising, though presumably it's possible.

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[info]shermarama
2008-03-21 03:55 pm UTC (link)
When I was in the Netherlands last year there was very little advertising. It took me a while to notice, and to notice its effects. There were no adverts on bus shelters, no billboards on busy roads, not even anything in the town centre although the shop windows had fairly normal display arrangements. Because the places in the UK that have the least advertising are places like residential streets where you don't get much passing traffic, it had the effect of making everywhere look like a local suburb - it felt difficult to tell whether an area was a busy one or not, or exactly where the town centre was, even when we could see that we were on the main street from the station or something, where thousands of people must pass every day.

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[info]addedentry
2008-03-21 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Interesting. I'm usually good at working out which direction to head from a railway station to the centre of a strange town and conspicuous advertising must be a cue for that as much as wide streets and bright lights.

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[info]brrm
2008-03-21 04:38 pm UTC (link)
In a similar vein (I particularly like the multiple layers):
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Edited at 2008-03-21 04:39 pm UTC

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[info]addedentry
2008-03-21 04:49 pm UTC (link)
Very nice. Almost French.

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[info]kaet
2008-04-15 03:44 am UTC (link)
I like "atlas rugs". Objectivism and rational self-interest vs wall-to-wall carpeting.

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[info]sphyg
2008-03-21 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I've had a story in my head involving text disappearing from everywhere. I've been tempted to take a photo of the city centre and play around with photoshop.

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[info]ewx
2008-03-21 10:21 pm UTC (link)
Tangentially

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[info]addedentry
2008-03-22 12:00 pm UTC (link)
Your link gives me a blank image, which may have been intended, but this copy's funnier:

http://stronsay.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/wc072.gif

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[info]sphyg
2008-03-24 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Chicken chickenchicken ;P

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[info]ewx
2008-03-30 12:18 am UTC (link)
Quack!

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[info]ukuhawa
2008-03-22 05:39 am UTC (link)
Something very different to what you're talking about, visible from just outside my house -- I'll have to take a photo before I forget, but there's this, in the meantime:

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/AS10261b.htm

"Horace purchased land in the foothills of Mount Wellington, overlooking Hobart, and in 1905 transformed it into a large advertising sign. Heavy stones were collected from the site, painted white and used to form the words 'Keen's Curry' in letters some fifty feet (15 m) high. Public uproar resulted, but Horace won the right to use it as an advertising sign. In June 1926 the familiar landmark briefly changed to read 'Hell's Curse' as a university prank, and students altered it again in 1962 to promote a theatre production. In 1994 the landmark read 'No Cable Car' as a protest against a proposed development. After every change the sign was restored and in 2005 was still in place."

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Ghost Signs UK
(Anonymous)
2008-03-24 08:23 pm UTC (link)
That Hovis sign in Oxford is a great, well preserved example from this prolific brand. Many examples of their painted advertising can be found across the country on the sites of old (and some still surviving) bakers. A couple of my own examples including the one below can be seen here:
http://brickads.blogspot.com/search/label/Hovis

I have an ongoing blog dedicated to these signs at http://www.ghostsigns.co.uk

Image

Best wishes,
Sam

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Re: Ghost Signs UK
[info]addedentry
2008-03-24 09:15 pm UTC (link)
I like the placement of the estate agent's sign over the H of Hovis!

You're welcome to reuse my Flickr photographs on your blog (Creative Commons licence).

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2008-03-27 09:58 am UTC (link)
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[info]kaet
2008-04-15 03:33 am UTC (link)
A retreat from text (in the general sense of symbology) is probably best achieved by internal hacking: meditation, psychadelics, excessive dancing, drawing, ecstatic religious practices, etc. Once achived it could probably be recalled. After all, I think text is best localised in terms of the human brain, rather than external "mention". I'm not generally a neurological determinist, and I'm certainly not a Chomskyite, but I think it reasonable to think that semiotics (and religion, incidentally) are supported by explicit brain structures.

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